How much do landmen make who are working in the Haynesville Shale - GoHaynesvilleShale.com2024-03-29T01:01:11Zhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/2117179:Topic:99697?feed=yes&xn_auth=nojust keep in mind that if one…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2009-06-02:2117179:Comment:7048532009-06-02T13:01:49.183ZHarold5011https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Harold5011
just keep in mind that if one of those 24" pipelines blow up, they make craters the size of a football field
just keep in mind that if one of those 24" pipelines blow up, they make craters the size of a football field Please pardon me, an inexperi…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2009-06-02:2117179:Comment:7042842009-06-02T01:26:22.831ZRMJRhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/RalphMickleJr
Please pardon me, an inexperienced junior shaler trying to learn. I'm trying to verify the credentials of a landman LLC , one who has contacted myself and some neighbors. We have some small parcells, less than 20 acrs. A 24" pipeline is planned to come within 100' of our homes and we are concerned. Can any of your experience point me in the right direction?<br />
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Respectfully.
Please pardon me, an inexperienced junior shaler trying to learn. I'm trying to verify the credentials of a landman LLC , one who has contacted myself and some neighbors. We have some small parcells, less than 20 acrs. A 24" pipeline is planned to come within 100' of our homes and we are concerned. Can any of your experience point me in the right direction?<br />
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Respectfully. According to my calculations,…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2009-06-01:2117179:Comment:7029392009-06-01T14:37:41.257ZHarold5011https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Harold5011
According to my calculations, for every day a bad landman works, it takes a good landman about three days to straighten it out. In other words, the work that the bad landmen creates for the good landmen is a renewable resouce. And the bad landmen just make the good landmen look even that much better. I've found a number of excellent 30 and 35 yr. landmen who have never ever missed a single day of work looking for a job (did I say ever), not even during the early 80s, and that even during hard…
According to my calculations, for every day a bad landman works, it takes a good landman about three days to straighten it out. In other words, the work that the bad landmen creates for the good landmen is a renewable resouce. And the bad landmen just make the good landmen look even that much better. I've found a number of excellent 30 and 35 yr. landmen who have never ever missed a single day of work looking for a job (did I say ever), not even during the early 80s, and that even during hard times were paid top dollar. I know that sometimes it seems as there's no justice in the world, but the high-end landmen (of which there are several dozen in Louisiana) are always in great demand. I know most of them.<br />
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One other thing I've noticed about the high-end landmen. They always have a stack of special projects about 2 feet high that will only kick-off in the event that particular landman can oversee it. If he or she can't get the time to do the project, the client will not pursue it. That's my experience. One other thing these landmen have in common, no one ever dares giving them a hard time. Come on, McConnell, you know…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2009-05-31:2117179:Comment:7020292009-05-31T20:36:43.283ZCarterhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/VicDCarter
Come on, McConnell, you know that the field brokerage business model is wrecked up from the neck up. The turnover and plague of warm bodies is part the business model. Some brokers are competent and knowledgeable. Just as many are dim-witted and unethical. And with respect to a sizable minority, all I can say is that Shakespeare himself could not have penned more mindless cretins. The "usual suspects" in a typical outfit will include broker's irritable sister-in-law who will be the person you…
Come on, McConnell, you know that the field brokerage business model is wrecked up from the neck up. The turnover and plague of warm bodies is part the business model. Some brokers are competent and knowledgeable. Just as many are dim-witted and unethical. And with respect to a sizable minority, all I can say is that Shakespeare himself could not have penned more mindless cretins. The "usual suspects" in a typical outfit will include broker's irritable sister-in-law who will be the person you have to deal with whenever you need to get through to somebody at the office or deal with about your invoice. Broker will place 20 year old daughter's K-Fed look alike boyfriend on the payroll @ $300/day next to that red-faced 50 year old sap bust'n his tail in the courthouse trying to feed his family...<br />
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Business will continue this way until economics and free competition is allowed on the scene. Because of nepotism, and the good 'ol boy system a person who can provide a better service at a better price is not given the opportunity to compete.<br />
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On an interesting side note, I went up to Chicago a couple of weeks ago for the wind energy industry's "NAPE", and I noticed a lot of their land personnel had engineering/environmental degrees, and I said "hey what do you do?" You wouldn't believe the simplicity. My 13 year old brother could handle most of that. But in the oil and gas industry, I've seen a new hire that barely made it through high school, being sent off to a ridiculously difficult HBP assignment! Thought that was interesting. Reading the code is a great s…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2009-05-31:2117179:Comment:7018802009-05-31T18:39:24.441ZHBPhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/HBP
Reading the code is a great step forward, reading and understanding every clause in a lease form and the most used clauses in the exhibits is also great - but knowing title is everything. Also memorizing the LA laws of descent and distribution for those tracts where the owners just haven't made their way to file successions and get JOPs for the last 40+ years.<br />
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I am sure the industry would welcome someone with a work ethic to want to learn on their own and read the code on their own - hopefully…
Reading the code is a great step forward, reading and understanding every clause in a lease form and the most used clauses in the exhibits is also great - but knowing title is everything. Also memorizing the LA laws of descent and distribution for those tracts where the owners just haven't made their way to file successions and get JOPs for the last 40+ years.<br />
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I am sure the industry would welcome someone with a work ethic to want to learn on their own and read the code on their own - hopefully to replace the plague of warm bodies that seems to re-surface every so often. You should become a consultan…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-25:2117179:Comment:999992008-08-25T22:11:03.043ZDion Warr, CPLhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/DionWarr
You should become a consultant.<br />
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No, seriously. If you're working in the field, the lower number is it more than likely, less his brokerage.<br />
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How much is your boss holding out on you? What's his name? Who are you working for? What's your highest authorized offer?<br />
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(Please forgive the humor. It's been a long day...)
You should become a consultant.<br />
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No, seriously. If you're working in the field, the lower number is it more than likely, less his brokerage.<br />
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How much is your boss holding out on you? What's his name? Who are you working for? What's your highest authorized offer?<br />
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(Please forgive the humor. It's been a long day...) If you are "feeling" out the…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-25:2117179:Comment:999332008-08-25T21:32:36.060Zmooncookiehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/mooncookie
If you are "feeling" out the business you might want to warm up your legal chops by taking a free practice LSAT, if only for the reasoning and logic scores.<br />
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I find that proficiency in those areas is the primary variable that keeps you from getting sued, once you're in business b/c you don't make the silly mistakes other people do.<br />
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As far as jobs and career are concerned, if you don't find one doing this, there will be thousands of opportunities directly related to the shale play.<br />
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Hotels and…
If you are "feeling" out the business you might want to warm up your legal chops by taking a free practice LSAT, if only for the reasoning and logic scores.<br />
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I find that proficiency in those areas is the primary variable that keeps you from getting sued, once you're in business b/c you don't make the silly mistakes other people do.<br />
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As far as jobs and career are concerned, if you don't find one doing this, there will be thousands of opportunities directly related to the shale play.<br />
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Hotels and food/retail franchises would not be a bad idea for the soon to be sprawling Shvpt area! All I can say is it looks like you have put some thought into this, so "get in where you fit in" I am a Landman with four year…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-25:2117179:Comment:999282008-08-25T21:30:49.618Zgardnhoserhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/gardnerhoser
I am a Landman with four years of experience. I am currently working with a crew of ten landmen or so. My Boss has thirty-five years of industry experience and is one of the most well respected Landmen in this area. I know what his day rate is. Apparently we are working with the wrong folks. Where can I make $500-$600/day.
I am a Landman with four years of experience. I am currently working with a crew of ten landmen or so. My Boss has thirty-five years of industry experience and is one of the most well respected Landmen in this area. I know what his day rate is. Apparently we are working with the wrong folks. Where can I make $500-$600/day. Sorry, didn't mean to get per…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-25:2117179:Comment:998952008-08-25T21:09:41.561ZHarold5011https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Harold5011
Sorry, didn't mean to get personal, but presently, less than no income - work for food here<br />
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Considering the alternatives land work looks pretty interesting - and love that La. mineral code (its available on the internet for free) - which I just finished reading - just started reading the civil code - several years ago I found them - they were being through out by a lawyer just because they were a little outdated
Sorry, didn't mean to get personal, but presently, less than no income - work for food here<br />
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Considering the alternatives land work looks pretty interesting - and love that La. mineral code (its available on the internet for free) - which I just finished reading - just started reading the civil code - several years ago I found them - they were being through out by a lawyer just because they were a little outdated Depends on who the landman is…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-25:2117179:Comment:998792008-08-25T21:00:10.134ZDion Warr, CPLhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/DionWarr
Depends on who the landman is working for and what they are doing (and what they are capable of doing). "Warm bodies" will not generally start at $450 per day. Neither will recent 'landman school' graduates.<br />
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These dayrates are "going rate" in the HS area, with the current demands on landmen being what they are, today. Count on 'warm bodies', 'leasehounds', and 'copy shooters' being the first ones to go when the leasing activity settles down.<br />
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Field landmen are typically reimbursed for days…
Depends on who the landman is working for and what they are doing (and what they are capable of doing). "Warm bodies" will not generally start at $450 per day. Neither will recent 'landman school' graduates.<br />
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These dayrates are "going rate" in the HS area, with the current demands on landmen being what they are, today. Count on 'warm bodies', 'leasehounds', and 'copy shooters' being the first ones to go when the leasing activity settles down.<br />
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Field landmen are typically reimbursed for days worked and direct expenses (meals, miles, lodging). Consultants are paid under individual contract and are paid according to contract terms.<br />
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Most non-company landmen are hired as contractors or subcontractors by those who have the work (either the company or the lead broker who has the contract with the company). They usually are hired as independents, and other than the area worked and some rudimentary office support, work independently for all intents and purposes, including taxes. As non-employees, one would expect to have all the expenses and tax liabilities that an independent contractor would have (tools of the trade, transportation, self-employment tax, medical policy, etc.). Sometimes a client will provide a computer (if, for instance, the company has a proprietary land system that you need special programs or equipment to use), but generally, you're on your own.<br />
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Also, FYI, as a contractor, you may wait 2 weeks or months for your money, depending on each individual client's payment schedule and history. You may be cut at any time. And a landman on the road can run up a lot of expenses pretty quickly. Do not plan on making this kind of money forever, compensation is also market driven.<br />
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As to your last questions, errors and omissions coverage (Y or N) depends upon the client, and talk to your CPA or tax preparer as to what to do for your individual situation.